Whats Your Take?

[Angelus]

Hello all!!

I just purchased an S10e from ebay for $200.00 w/ free shipping. (Good deal I know) I bought it because I really wanted an os x netbook. I am an apple guru and want apple to make one so bad, but the iPad killed those dreams
I use a MacBook Pro 15" for everything. My game development to music production, and of course, school. I love the os x environment so much, I would love to have a mini-mac were I could check email, write stuff, watch youtube, maybe use Reason 4 a little. This is why I bought the S10e.

Now, I started this thread because I wanted to get some peoples opinions on putting os x on a pc. Do you do it just for fun, to use every day, or is it wrong? I don't really see the problem. IF you buy the OS then it's kinda up to you what you do with it. Also, as far as "illegal" things to do tech wise, this isn't bad what so ever. Especially when I have a legit MacBook that cost me over $2,500 in the first place haha.

Let me know your thoughts,

1) Why did you install OS X

2) What do you do with OS X

3) Do you even like Apple

4) If you don't own a real mac, do you want one? - Why



-Angelus

[SilverZero]

OS X is fun to play with, I approach it more as a hobby / challenge (because I can), but I use Windows for most everything because I know it on a much deeper level. I triple boot with Linux, so some days I just switch it up if I want to play around, but when it's time to do work, I'm usually in XP (or Win7 at home on my main laptop).

I personally dislike Apple a lot because I feel that they are total hypocrites. They launch massive marketing campaigns to smear Windows, make pretty products that are easy to use but not particularly powerful, and have created an entire generation of fanboys that still think that "it just works" is a legitimate mantra, because they don't know how to use a PC. I mean, I just inherited an iPhone and it's a total piece of junk - so many problems - but people still think they're some sort of miracle gadget. I heard a great line recently about how most people think a technology never existed until Steve Jobs announced it on a stage. I feel like Apple is perpetuating a culture of ignorant tech snobs. I know that sounds harsh, but rest assured if you even understand the fact that you can put OSX on PC hardware, you're already above this population.

That said, I'd use a Mac every day, but I'd never pay for one. Apple products are just unnecessarily expensive, but I guess that's the only way to finance such a huge marketing budget to hypnotize the masses.

[phattbam]

1) Why did you install OS X
to have it on a netbook

2) What do you do with OS X
everyday use, surfing the web, work related drafting contracts and such( on my MacBook Pro though)

3) Do you even like Apple
they have great products but expensive, you gotta pay to play

4) If you don't own a real mac, do you want one? - Why
I do and it took me a while to pay for it. didn't find the need to pay for an apple product but the late '09 MBP was nice since they had added the SD reader, but regret that I didn't wait til now.

[Angelus]

SilverZero,

I kinda agree with you...don't get me wrong I own a Win7 Desktop Gaming Rig as well. I am a computer guy all around, not just a mac fanboy. (I know you didn't call me one I'm just sayin') I love my Desktop for Gaming. I can game on my macbook pro but it's not really good for that with the money you spend on one. I want to tell you why I like mac over pc, just to give you a perspective you may not have heard...

I do A LOT of Audio and 3D/2D Development on the go and at home. I have noticed on my Macbook Pro I can have literally over 30 apps running at once and still have a responsive computer. My gaming rig is about four times as powerful, and the only thing it's better at, is well, gaming.

MAcBook Por Specs:

Core 2 Duo 2.8Ghz
Nvidia 9600M GT 512Mb
4Gb Of DDR3 1337Mhz RAM
500Gb 7200RPM HDD
etc...

Gaming Rig:
AMD 965 Quad-Core CPU @ 3.50 Ghz (Per Core)
4Gb Dual Channel DDR3 1800Mhz RAM
9800 GT 1Gb
1Tb 1000 RPM HDD
Liquid Cooling
etc...

As you can tell if my macbook was at those specs I could rule the world lol. Fact is, pcs are not meant to be workstations for the stuff I do. Most people I know didn't spring for a mac because they would have no use for it. If you aren't an artist or developer macs are pretty useless to you.
Also, yeah Apple is brutal against winows in their adds. I must say though, when I got my first Quad-core computer in 07' when they were spankin' new, it had vista..and it sucked.

At the time I hated macs, I could game ok with vista but before SP1 it was hell. I actually think vista was the best thing that ever happened to apple if that makes sense.

On my gaming rig with 7' it's decent, but I go to tell you, I can't have more than five programs open at once on it. I have about 450Gb of stuff installed so it has bogged down a .lil' but even when I turned it on the first time, it DEFF was not any better than my MacBook Pro at the graphic stuff, or Audio work.

Also, yeah, Macs are overpriced. It's kinda BS to. Not just because you get pc hardware, but because Apple builds the computer and the OS. That would save you A LOT of money. I don't really get why they are so much $$

To sum it up; For Actual Work, I need my mac, for playing/gaming I need my PC. It is so cool with the desktop, it's hooked up to a projector (1080i but still) The whole left wall of my office is my screen, about 14'

I love gaming that way, my mac could never provide such thrill haha. Thanks for sharing your honest opinion man, it's nice to hear other views ;

phattbam,

Yeah, I really wish I had waited...they released the i5/i7 MacBook Pros a week after I spent all my cabbage on the Core 2 Duo ones

Oh, well, not like I really needed it anyway....

-Angelus

Sorry if there are a lot of typos in here, It was a lot to spell check, I just didn't really care at the moment....

[SilverZero]

See, I disagree that PCs aren't meant to be multimedia workstations. I built a 3.0Ghz C2D system with 4gb RAM and ran Vegas Pro, Ableton Live, Cubase, Reason 4, and a bunch of other serious editors and never had any issues. I don't need to run 30 programs at once, but if I did, I probably could. That was always the argument I heard back in the day (that Macs were built for Dreamweaver, or that Final Cut Pro is the only AV editor out there), but they never made much sense to me. I've crashed Macs just as easily as PCs, too. Maybe I just have the touch. And if your installed programs are slowing the rig down, you need to get a multi-disk setup going, have a fast primary drive for just the OS and applications, and a storage drive on another channel.

And just for fun:
http://roosterteeth.com/archive/episode.php?id=118

[Angelus]

lol!! that video was so funny!! I love the part; breakout.....super breakout....
Gold, pure gold. I also like the bit about how hard it is to upgrade a pc, but with mac you throw the old one away and just simply buy a new one haha very funny.

You know it's funny, My first quadcore I mentioned before had a dual disk drive setup. It had dual 7200 RPM 320Gb HDDs. It still was very bad. And the audio isn't the thing that bogs me down. I'm talking mainly of my game development. I use http://unity3d.com/ for my games, and it takes 5-10 mins to import my main 4Gb of assets for a game, than 35+mins. on my desktop. Unity has a free indie version you can use for personal and commercial use, if you don't know if it I highly recommend it!!

When importing all my game assets encoding something in Reason 4, and mixing with Ableton Live Max 8 on the fly my mac holds it's own. Doing the same on my desktop makes the fan hum and bump it above 110F with the liquid cooling. I do prefer macs, mainly because the things I'm more passionate about work better for me on them. Although in the end, be it PC/Linux/Mac it's all lovable!!

Also that is most ceartainly comeplte BS when people say that macs were built for artists. I am one and like it for those things, but macs were not built for that at all. IF you remember in the 90's - early 2,000's macs were in schools. (Basically when os x came out) The only people on the planet that used macs were schools. Mainly elementary as well. They made them simpler to use than a pc because the people that used them the most were from ages 5 - 16. This why they are known for being "n00b" proof. Although I must say Apple has gone waaaay downhill in build quality lately.

I don't know if any one remembers but, a bout 10 years ago or so, if you wanted a laptop at all, you spent a thousand dollars, at least! Basically that's what they cost. Now Pcs can be very low spec and cheaper. Now that Apple is so widely used by so man people I think Steve has been commercialized and turned into a money hog and lost some of the quality builds that made Apple, Apple.

I have had a lot of problems with the newer macs. Everything from 2009 up has been rubbish for me. My dad has a MacBook from 06' and has never restored the OS once, it has never crashed a single time being used every day these years. My mum's iMac(s) Horrid. Had to go through three iMacs in two months just finally get one working. IT was so bad...As much as I love Applle, they better step up their game, it's getting sloppy.....

-Angelus

Once again I apologize for crappy typing....

[SilverZero]

I definitely respect that you know what your Mac is good for and what your PC is good for. That's really the bottom line. If you are more productive on your Mac, do your production on your Mac. I've been on Windows machines for 15 years, dealt with just about every issue a PC can throw at me, and learned a lot from it, so I know my way around. And I've found ways to do everything I want to do, well. If I had grown up with a Mac, it might be a different story. It's all about what works for you - I'm smart enough to know that the Mac vs. PC debate is pointless from the outset. And I'll bet if I had a 27" iMac i7 on my desk (or . . . drool . . . an 8-core Mac Pro), I'd love it to pieces and use it for everything.

[Angelus]

Well I am harpy we found ourselves in somewhat of an agreement with our own perspectives. You are right, these debates can be quite pointless at times, I'm glad this one wasn't ')

[haraldrt]

Time to throw in my point of view!

I am a Computer Professional and i work with Windows, AIX and Linux every Day.
(And Yes i am trained in all of these System) I have used Computers since the early 80s.

And sorry SilverZero i dont get you point. Why should i build a multidisk multiboot system. I want to use my computer. I dont like to be used!. Why should i maintain several inkarnations of the same OS and reboot to switch several times a Day just because Windows gets "strange" after a certain amount of installed Apps. Yes, you can learn to move around the problems, but why must I? My wife took a Course on Windows and Office which lastet 6 month. I Installed OS X on her netbook and it took her a weekend to use and understand it. Windows 7 is the first system trying to understand the average PC User and not the Tech-guys, but like in Xp and Vista nearly everyone i know disables the new gui features etc. because they are not used to be treated like humans and not like robots and windows has "always worked like this". A friend of mine tried to install XP on his brand new acer notebook. he trashed the whole installation including recovery partition. He had to order ($$$$$) the recovery DVD's to reinstall becaus het couldn't get the necessary drivers for windows versions older than Vista SP1. And thats what i meet most of the time people incapable of maintaining their own PC, because you need a "learning curve" of a short lifetime to get rid of the small or not so small problems. Linux even with ubuntu is not an option for most users as a fulltime replacement, so you have to reboot and switch again.

My first mac was an iBook, which i bought out of curiousity and i was surprised how little time it took to learn (OS 10.2) and how little time i spend supporting the system. And here comes the last bonus for mac users: I sold this little book for 280 EUR last year and it was a late 2001 modell. I bought my G5 single core for about 1300 EUR and sold it for 650 EUR 4 1/2 Year later. a PC would be a total loss after that time, so i regained the initial "more" i spend on those macs be selling them for a higher price that would have been possible for a pc.

I started with Sinclair homecomputers, use Commodore (C128 and Amiga) Atari (ST,Mega ST, Falcon)
had a PC at the same time with every os brand you can name (dos, windows 3.X,Xenix, Linux since kernel 0.98)

My first mac was an iBook, which i bought out of curiousity and i was surprised how little time it took to learn (OS 10.2) and how little time i spend supporting the system. And here comes the last bonus for mac users: I sold this little book for 280 EUR last year and it was a late 2001 modell. I bought my G5 single core for about 1300 EUR and sold it for 650 EUR 4 1/2 Year later. a PC would be a total loss after that time, so i regained the initial "more" i spend on those macs be selling them for a higher price that would have been possible for a pc.

I now have a family and the time i had spend to keep my windows and even my Linux installs running
is lost time! I want to edit my pictures i want to cut my videos. I want to play a game sometimes and
it doesn't bother me if windows gamers play the same game 6 month before me.

So for me it is a simple question how much do i value my own time and life when i do the math? A Computer should do what i want a i will not be the servant of a machine to keep it alive and running!

[Angelus]

haraldrt,

You have a very interesting point of view. I was reading through your post and laughed so hard when you mentioned most people you know disable the new GUI in Vista/7!! I always set mine to Windows Basic. Everyone I know thinks I'm crazy for doing so hehe, nice to hear otherwise!!

As you can probably tell, I like my PC for gaming for the most part, you are correct though. Macs can game to! Steam is coming to mac and they won't be able to say otherwise for long! Also they got some sweet GPUs this year. Nothing to be trifled with alongside the Core i5/17's

Besides the problem I had with my iMacs this year, every apple product has been a joy to work with, although I have had some good pcs, I find the only ones I love, are those that I build.

-Angelus